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they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt reduction, there will be debt reduction, that entitlements will be brought under control. looking for certainty on taxe taxes. until this happens, there isn't going to be that certainly. i have to say that the republicans showed the political will. they stood up, to the conservative base. they put the re-knews on the table. what troubles me -- now that the ball is in the white house court, right? what troubles me is lack of political will on the white house, we haven't seen yet. particularly on spending and entitlement reform. voices in the deckic party saying that this was a mandate to walk away from debt reduction. that is troubling. >> charles lane do you see anything out there to give the business confidence to hire people again? >> well, there is just, i agree with nina. too many unknowns. we could add the situation the slow, steady, stagnation of europe to the mix. we could add uncertainty about where china is going to go. the troubling thing about the depart
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted of a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> shortly after house ni mort leader nancy pelosi put the plame back on republicans. let's listen. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat, but in many homes across america it's very -- a very, very lean time. >> and today's jobs report showing 146,000 jobs added in november and unemployment dipping to 7.7% may give the president some leverage in negotiations with boehner. but while the president
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted of a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to...
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your business is booming. everything is great but you are approaching the fiscal cliff. when you heard tim geithner say we are ready to go over it if we don't get a deal, what does that do to a man expanding? >> it is disappointing but frightening because the federal government prepared to go over that cliff, i can tell you not a lot of good things will come from that. >> this market is booming because of what happened with said any. people say i don't want to be left without power again and again and again. this is your top model, the backup system, as soon as your power goes out this goes on, they hired 200 people to build these and affordable generated in the past couple months. >> the demand is sky high. we can't hire enough people for the factories. >> if we do go off of the cliff what happens to all that? >> we have to slow things down. it is something people will be concerned about whether they put money into a product like this, if we slow down demand will slow down our factories. >> to some degree this is a discretionary purchase. they don't have to buy one of t
your business is booming. everything is great but you are approaching the fiscal cliff. when you heard tim geithner say we are ready to go over it if we don't get a deal, what does that do to a man expanding? >> it is disappointing but frightening because the federal government prepared to go over that cliff, i can tell you not a lot of good things will come from that. >> this market is booming because of what happened with said any. people say i don't want to be left without power...
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so you have the fiscal cliff, and the business confidence is at an all-time low. consumer confidence is at a 4 1/2 year high. germany's stock market is up 25% this year, both in dollars and euros. the u.s. dollar and the euro are about the same. basically, you want to watch the ten-year treasury interest rate. it's been going down this week. you always show that at the end of the week. gold has basically been very quiet. you're waiting for the dough here. you're looking for the market to give you a sense of where the economy is going. >> we're waiting for green lights. do you feel when all is said and done, no matter how much we talk about, you know, how the end of the world would arrive if we went over the fiscal cliff, people in the market basically his surely they can't be that done. they're assuming it's going to get done. >> i think the markets are saying -- it's balanced 50/50. my personal opinion is it's a higher chance it won't happen. just as bill clinton managed to pin the blame for the government shutdown on newt gingrich and put the republicans in retr
so you have the fiscal cliff, and the business confidence is at an all-time low. consumer confidence is at a 4 1/2 year high. germany's stock market is up 25% this year, both in dollars and euros. the u.s. dollar and the euro are about the same. basically, you want to watch the ten-year treasury interest rate. it's been going down this week. you always show that at the end of the week. gold has basically been very quiet. you're waiting for the dough here. you're looking for the market to give...
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cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers holding back, but it's not clear it to me that that's more than finding a story and finding your anecdote. >> are you accusing the media of -- >> i'm making an observation and i'm going to by the ipad but i'm worried about the fiscal cliff so i'm buying the mini. that's about the extent of consumer concern. consumers are worried about jobs and general economic conditions insofar as washington is perceived as a impediment to that, which is clearly is perceived as, then people are concerned. i don't think you have nearly a one-to-one connection. the consumer sentiment is a pretty weird gauge which they ask how you feel, and that went down today. if you have constant 24/7 coverage about going off a fiscal cliff, you have to expect people to be concerned. >> my understanding with regards to consumer sentiment is that it varies widely depending on how much money you make. >> it varies based on the news cycle. there's two things. the constant is
cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers holding back, but it's not clear it to me that that's more than finding a story and finding your anecdote. >> are you accusing the media of -- >> i'm making an observation and i'm going to by the ipad but i'm worried about the fiscal cliff so i'm buying the mini. that's about the extent of consumer concern. consumers are worried about jobs and general economic conditions insofar as washington is perceived as a impediment to...
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fiscal cliff or november's job numbers could be an anomaly and data thrown out the window in next month he a report. we have to see. >>> speaking of workers, ibm, a company at the forefront of employee benefits is overhauling the retirement benefits program, like many companies out there, they match employee 401(k) contributions 6 to 8% of pay every pay period. now the company says it is switching the matches it makes to once a year, so the amount employees get from ibm isn't changing but the workers that leave before december 15 matching date won't get their payment for the year. look out for companies to follow that move with similar ones of their own in attempt to save on employee benefits. be careful when you decide to leave the company you work for. bad timing could cost you. for more detailed coverage, tune into "your money" saturday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to he
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. >> does the fiscal cliff debate and the lack of a resolution at this point impact your business at all? are you hearing from your customers that they might put off a purchase or they're worried about making a purchase given the lack of resolution in washington? >> predominantly it is the uncertainty. on the consumer side, absolutely it has an impact. kind of daily reports of doom that come out all of the media channels. zblipts's playing out on our channels. >> it reinforces consumer skepticism. absolute impact on consumer sent many so it leads to postponing. i think we see that. we sell sprinters, it is a commercial vehicle that's aimed solely at small businesses. in the fourth quarter we have seen a softening of that even though we're up 25% for the year. a slight slowdown in the fourth quarter and that's because small businesses are absolutely postponing purchases as this fiscal cliff debate wages on. >> phil, over to you. >> thanks, sue. steve, i'm curious from your perspective, you look at what happened with incentives for the luxury automakers last month. you guys were puttin
. >> does the fiscal cliff debate and the lack of a resolution at this point impact your business at all? are you hearing from your customers that they might put off a purchase or they're worried about making a purchase given the lack of resolution in washington? >> predominantly it is the uncertainty. on the consumer side, absolutely it has an impact. kind of daily reports of doom that come out all of the media channels. zblipts's playing out on our channels. >> it reinforces...
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on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors o get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're re than ,000 people looking out for so i never more than 70t. million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. can. >> at 19 minutes past the hour i'm arthel neville with your fox news minute. reuters reporting protesters broke through military barricades outside the presidential palace in cairo, egypt. late yesterday defiant president morsi calling for a dialog
on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp that fit my life....
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congress hearing from all sides on the fiscal cliff and heading up a coalition of business and economic leaders in the fix the debt campaign, where do you sense the players are right now in terms of whether they'll go interest a small deal, band-aid approach or grand bargain. >> the good news is while it's a nail biter, that's for sure, we all wish we could solve some of these problems without going to the brink like we do in politics, i think they're going to get this resolved and be able to put in place a plan not just to avert the fiscal cliff, but importantly to really tackle the deficit and debt problems in this country. i am concerned that deal won't be big enough. is it going to be small or medium or big. we need a plan big enough to fix the deficit problems and make sure the debt is no longer growing faster than the economy. we're not going to be able to balance the budget in the near future because the fiscal hole is so big. you want to make sure the debt is not growing faster than the economy. that's going to take $4 trillion in savings. you need all parts on the table and con
congress hearing from all sides on the fiscal cliff and heading up a coalition of business and economic leaders in the fix the debt campaign, where do you sense the players are right now in terms of whether they'll go interest a small deal, band-aid approach or grand bargain. >> the good news is while it's a nail biter, that's for sure, we all wish we could solve some of these problems without going to the brink like we do in politics, i think they're going to get this resolved and be...
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. >> a lot of it has to do with the fiscal cliff. but as you look deeper into these numbers and the questions they were asking, a lot of people respond saying they feel like taxes are going up count road and that made them nervous about the economy. so they understand no matter how this shakes out. there is something coming down the road that's going to have a stalling effect on the economy and we are looking at so many people out of work. we are talking about the unemployment number. that doesn't even catch the number we are talking about. all the people out there who are unemployed. plus all the people working part time and wish they had more work because they need more money. that's 23 million people are totally unemployed or need to work more to make ends meet. that's a big reason why we are seeing confidence fall. alisyn: do you think the days after a presidential election are normally filled with promise, the promise of better days ahead. there is a high from election? but this with the consumer confidence plunging how do you m
. >> a lot of it has to do with the fiscal cliff. but as you look deeper into these numbers and the questions they were asking, a lot of people respond saying they feel like taxes are going up count road and that made them nervous about the economy. so they understand no matter how this shakes out. there is something coming down the road that's going to have a stalling effect on the economy and we are looking at so many people out of work. we are talking about the unemployment number....
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that's the whole issue here. >> on the fiscal cliff front, no new deals or concessions made public, but "the new york times" reports the dynamic has changed. at the request of speaker boehner, senate leaders and nancy pelosi have been dismissed from the negotiating table. leaving just the speaker and the president to hammer this one out. today vice president biden is hosting middle-class families at the white house, continuing to pressure congress to strike a deal on tax rates below 250,000. yesterday, the president struck a hopeful note with a middle-income family in virginia, while maintaining a hardline on negotiations. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a sovble problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for rate at the top 2% but i remain optimistic we can get something done for that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> but the clock is ticking. with just two full weeks before christmas to go. joining me now from washington, the man with all t
that's the whole issue here. >> on the fiscal cliff front, no new deals or concessions made public, but "the new york times" reports the dynamic has changed. at the request of speaker boehner, senate leaders and nancy pelosi have been dismissed from the negotiating table. leaving just the speaker and the president to hammer this one out. today vice president biden is hosting middle-class families at the white house, continuing to pressure congress to strike a deal on tax rates...
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today's discussion on the fiscal cliff clearly exceeds that far. we are honored to have such a thoughtful panel. senator mark warner, senator bob corker, congressman chris van hollen, governor tim pawlenty who is currently president and ceo of the financial services roundtable. moderate in our discussion today is albert hunt. we always love having l over here. he really put limburg on a map in d.c. and yesterday was his birthday so happy birthday. [applause] i'm going to turn things over to tom davis who is the man who really needs no introduction. he has been a great friend over the years. i would be remiss if i didn't give his full official title at deloitte. he is the director of federal government affairs. please join me in welcoming congressman tom davis. [applause] >> thank you and most importantly i left congress undefeated and unindicted so i am very happy about that. on behalf of deloitte i want to thank our all-star panel, senator corker, governor pawlenty, congressman van hollen in senator warner for participating in our all-star moderat
today's discussion on the fiscal cliff clearly exceeds that far. we are honored to have such a thoughtful panel. senator mark warner, senator bob corker, congressman chris van hollen, governor tim pawlenty who is currently president and ceo of the financial services roundtable. moderate in our discussion today is albert hunt. we always love having l over here. he really put limburg on a map in d.c. and yesterday was his birthday so happy birthday. [applause] i'm going to turn things over to tom...
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you are concerned about this fiscal cliff. what impact would it have on your business? >> it could dampen demand for product. we worry about the fiscal cliff but at the same time people are more worried about our quality in the u.s. and that helps demand for our product. jeff: this company went public in 2010, stock price $13, recently got up to 40. price targets are above that on it. take a look at that. cheryl: charles payne was right. jeff flock, thank you very much. ibm employees saying the big blue after the company says it is not paying 401(k) matches until the end of the year. dennis: holy jalopy, batman. these are live pictures of the backmobile from the 1960s tv series. we will speak to the designer and the auctioneer who will put this baby on the block. how much will go for? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at lelzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to
you are concerned about this fiscal cliff. what impact would it have on your business? >> it could dampen demand for product. we worry about the fiscal cliff but at the same time people are more worried about our quality in the u.s. and that helps demand for our product. jeff: this company went public in 2010, stock price $13, recently got up to 40. price targets are above that on it. take a look at that. cheryl: charles payne was right. jeff flock, thank you very much. ibm employees...
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. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked about two things, though. one, as you say, is about certainty and they say that businesses need that certainty to start hiring but they've also warned that if tax rates go up on the wealthy that would have have a negative impact. >> i think republican orthodoxy is bad. if you raise taxes on the wealthy, absolutely, it's going to drag on growth a bit. but the hope is among the analysts is that the positive impact of getting certainty and beyond just certainty, seeing that washington can avoid a debt limit fight, that might help boost confidence that would be very conducive to job creation. >> you bring up a
. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked...
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john boehner makes remarks on the fiscal cliff. we will show you that when the happens. by now, a little bit more about the fiscal cliff. >> we turn our attention this morning about unemployment benefits and how insurance could back -- how insurance could be impacted. thank you for coming in. we want to start the discussion. when we're talking about unemployment insurance, what specific programs are we talking about here? >> unemployment insurance is the combination of federal and state programs. it usually lasts up to six weeks. it can be extended up to 93 weeks, depending on which they were in. it is this extension that we're really talking about as part of the fiscal cliff. >> that is what might be cut. that is what automatically expires. we know it cost $30 billion to continue additional unemployment benefits. of the deal i want to make, the benefits should continue. firm stand. we have seen in the past obama host: what specific benefits do guest: usually some kind of a cash benefit or they may help the search for a job. it is usually about $300 a week. it can vary f
john boehner makes remarks on the fiscal cliff. we will show you that when the happens. by now, a little bit more about the fiscal cliff. >> we turn our attention this morning about unemployment benefits and how insurance could back -- how insurance could be impacted. thank you for coming in. we want to start the discussion. when we're talking about unemployment insurance, what specific programs are we talking about here? >> unemployment insurance is the combination of federal and...
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and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi 300,000 said they weren't working because of the weather and that's six times the normal level. >> to underscore the statistical significance, 86,000 was in the adp report affected by the hurricane. that's not within the statistical range with what they consider significant. it did have an impact and it may or may not have shown up. i think greg brings up a good point about the fiscal cliff and the break between consumer and corporate activity is very important. we saw the decline in investment in the third quarter very much related to fiscal cliff issues and concerns and delays on hiring an
and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi...
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as for fiscal cliff fears would keep businesses from around the country from hiring that does not seem to be the case. either more than half of the jobs added last month came in retail and health care. the jobs were lost in construction and manufacturing. we're working now to get reaction from the white house and members of congress and hope to have that for you during my next update. reporting live from washington, d.c. alison burns. >>> time now 6:17. another story about controversial comedian katt williams. he has more legal problems after announcing he has unreported. an arrest warrant has been issued for katt williams. chp claims williams almost ran down five people when he drove his motorcycle on to a sidewalk. katt williams also failed to show up at an arraignment in seattle to face charges he hit a man with microphone and threw chairs at fans. despite all the controversy williams managers say he's not retiring and will continue with his nation-wide tour. >>> police in mill valley have arrested a manager of an assisted living facility on suspicion of fraud, identity theft, and f
as for fiscal cliff fears would keep businesses from around the country from hiring that does not seem to be the case. either more than half of the jobs added last month came in retail and health care. the jobs were lost in construction and manufacturing. we're working now to get reaction from the white house and members of congress and hope to have that for you during my next update. reporting live from washington, d.c. alison burns. >>> time now 6:17. another story about...
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he hasn't decided to sit up and talk about the fiscal cliff, for example, and how he feels about it. he is talking about, in the context of a football game something that has just happened in sports to people who are well known and they're talking about a gun -- it's not not connected. >> it is connected to football because of the murder/suicide that preceded it. maybe his emotions and the emotions that surrounded that could have gotten in the way. i think that average people at home want to tune in, they want to get in their barcolounger, eat their chips and watch their game. >> usa today, nfl with a gun, wealth and celebrity can make a player a target and they go on to talk about how a lot of the players need to be armed because once they become famous and rich, you know, people can go after them. >> my problem is that we can no longer wall off sports because all kinds of labor issues and domestic issues intrude. if you are going to be a sports commentator like costas. of course you lose your popularity if you weigh in on this, because half the people in this country disagree with
he hasn't decided to sit up and talk about the fiscal cliff, for example, and how he feels about it. he is talking about, in the context of a football game something that has just happened in sports to people who are well known and they're talking about a gun -- it's not not connected. >> it is connected to football because of the murder/suicide that preceded it. maybe his emotions and the emotions that surrounded that could have gotten in the way. i think that average people at home want...
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between the fiscal cliff and senate come when my has seen it up to 200,000 jobs added. instead we're looking at something more like 100,000 we think. not very good. >> tara mergener, thank you. you can apply for official federal assistance immediately. the deadline is this month for some workers. for more affirmation, call 288- 9050. >> 33 degrees at the airport. after some criticism, could apple be in sourcing its next big project? >> will you be putting fewer gifts under the christmas tree this year? >> a day that still lives in infamy. the anniversary of the attack on pearl harbor. >> scattered showers today. >> more and more motorists >> more and more motorists getting out on the area roads ♪ oh, what fun it is to ride... ♪ get in the holiday spirit with dunkin's peppermint mocha, new white chocolate, or gingerbread flavors today. america runs on dunkin'. >> we take a look outside. clatter skies. 42 degrees downtown. chillier when you get away from the airport. we have some rain fall approaching from the west. i have circled the city. shower activity is moving i
between the fiscal cliff and senate come when my has seen it up to 200,000 jobs added. instead we're looking at something more like 100,000 we think. not very good. >> tara mergener, thank you. you can apply for official federal assistance immediately. the deadline is this month for some workers. for more affirmation, call 288- 9050. >> 33 degrees at the airport. after some criticism, could apple be in sourcing its next big project? >> will you be putting fewer gifts under the...
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is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is american companies have lots of money sitting overseas because they don't want to bring it back and be taxed in the united states. so that is something that puts as one of his eight points because it is holding back investments by american companies. >> all right. the new issue of "the economist" is "the world in 2013." daniel franklin. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. stay with us. much more on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever be
is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is...
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fiscal cliff week for the most part, a lot of other -- that and a lot of other news to talk about today. we have the big job numbers coming up today as well for the month of november. it won't be quiet as critical as the job numbers were. remember that? that was right before the election. but still, it's very important. we'll be on top of that and all of the other issues for you and with you and hearing from you at 866-55-press. >> that's our toll-free number 866-557-7377. follow us on twitter. join us on twitter. more and more people do. at the whitehouse, so many of the reporters were saying how much they love following us on twitter. you should, too, at bp show @bp show @bpshow and facebook/billpressshow. team press here for the fifth day in a row all together. this is a new record action i think. here we are five days. nobody took a day off. peter ogburn and dan henning. >> happy friday. >> and cyprian bowlding wearing god knows what hat this morning. our videographer in chief. >> the washington fuel team he is representing with his hat. >> redskins hat. >> they changed their unifor
fiscal cliff week for the most part, a lot of other -- that and a lot of other news to talk about today. we have the big job numbers coming up today as well for the month of november. it won't be quiet as critical as the job numbers were. remember that? that was right before the election. but still, it's very important. we'll be on top of that and all of the other issues for you and with you and hearing from you at 866-55-press. >> that's our toll-free number 866-557-7377. follow us on...
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cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >> that thing really stuck. >> that's a good question. that's good trivia. i'll goog it. >> we've said it's not really. it doesn't happen really. it's more of a ski slope it's not a black diamond slope. it's more advanthan advanced. >> a double blue. >> but not without a lot of moguls. >> dan gilbert is the own of the cleveland cavaliers and the founder of quicken loans and you're the perfect person to have here because you have your finger on so many different things happening in detroit and around the country. let's start with the housing industry this morning because people have been trying to figure out if the resurgence
cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >>...
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results, middle class perspectives on the economy and the fiscal cliff. it's expected to get under way shortly, and we're bringing it to you live here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning, all. good morning. i'm john fox sullivan, i'm publisher at large of atlantic media company, we publish the atlantic, national journal, government executive, a new product, quartz, and we want to welcome you to this special event this morning. and i want to welcome our c-span audience which is tuning in. um, this is the 15th allstate/national journal heartland poll that we're going to be discussing this morning. since april of 2009, allstate and national journal and the atlantic have partnered in surveying the public opinion of a little bit oriented towards the mitt middle class -- middle class, but public at large. this was initiated by our friend ed reilly and ron brownstein of national journal and post the economic crisis, we decided to see what the american public perceptio
results, middle class perspectives on the economy and the fiscal cliff. it's expected to get under way shortly, and we're bringing it to you live here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning, all. good morning. i'm john fox sullivan, i'm publisher at large of atlantic media company, we publish the atlantic, national journal, government executive, a new product, quartz, and we want to welcome you to...
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his side in these fiscal cliff negotiations. different than a year and a half ago when the president dealt only with republicans in congress. this time he is taking the case to americans and getting outside of washington, d.c. congressional republicans not so happy that the president is doing this. >> we understand that. paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately. they could go fwook their constituents and boehner could go to eric cantor and see what kind of deal they could get. but that was the dynamic that came the closest. >> they didn't have control of their parties basically right? does john boehne
his side in these fiscal cliff negotiations. different than a year and a half ago when the president dealt only with republicans in congress. this time he is taking the case to americans and getting outside of washington, d.c. congressional republicans not so happy that the president is doing this. >> we understand that. paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn...
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>> eric: fiscal cliff will. >> andrea: the plan that the democrats put forward is to give tax breaks to business owners. these are gimmicky schemes. cola adjustment. to it is not going to do anything. it's a p.r. stunt to go around the country to say look at what we put forward. >> eric: $345 billion -- >> andrea: for cancer. >> bob: that is a tylenol? man, getting expensive. >> greg: the only way to the problem is for americans to become educated on how to cut spending. how you eliminate the tax deductions and expand the tax base so that you can increase the revenue without punishing segment of society. that doesn't it in the simp sob cartoon. they couldn't articulate that in a comical way. we are run by liberals who never spent a dollar they couldn't spend twice. obama could be a great foreign policy president if he pretended the enemies are rich americans. >> bob: you don't think there is waste in defense? >> greg: absolutely. i do think there is a waste of defense. >> dana: the waste in defense, climate change programs that they have to do. >> eric: greg pointed out things that a
>> eric: fiscal cliff will. >> andrea: the plan that the democrats put forward is to give tax breaks to business owners. these are gimmicky schemes. cola adjustment. to it is not going to do anything. it's a p.r. stunt to go around the country to say look at what we put forward. >> eric: $345 billion -- >> andrea: for cancer. >> bob: that is a tylenol? man, getting expensive. >> greg: the only way to the problem is for americans to become educated on how to...
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by telling cnbc the white house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff, unless the republicans bend on taxes. comment by former democratic presidential candidate howard dean frightened republics that this debate is not just about raising taxes on the rich. >> the truth is, even needs to pay more taxes. not just the rich. that is a good start. we are not getting out of the deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board and go back to what bill clinton have. >> some liberals pushed the president to raise the debt ceiling himself, claiming he has executive power through the 14th amendment. jay carney reveals today the white house studied that, does not believe the president has the power. that means we are headed for another major showdown with congress over the debt ceilin ceiling. >> bret: more with the panel. ed henry, thank you. republicans are losing one of the most conservative voices on capitol hill. south carolina senator jim demint surprised a lot of people today when he announced he is leaving the senate. but staying in washington to run the conservative heritage foundat
by telling cnbc the white house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff, unless the republicans bend on taxes. comment by former democratic presidential candidate howard dean frightened republics that this debate is not just about raising taxes on the rich. >> the truth is, even needs to pay more taxes. not just the rich. that is a good start. we are not getting out of the deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board and go back to what bill clinton have. >> some liberals...
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once we've resolved the cliff, we need long-term fiscal reduction so businesses can plan for the future. to get families and businesses certain we must agree the next few weeks on specific spending cuts and specific revenue increases that reduced the deficit to avoid the fiscal cliff. we should not put off hard decisions of gimmicks or with triggers. that's what got us here in the first place. it's time to bite the bullet and make the tough decisions and make them now. the first thing we should do is immediately and permanently extend a middle-class tax cut. this will provide needed certainty to america's families and businesses and markets. this decisive action will ensure that millions of american families don't see attacks like of more than $2000 starting next month. in year-end agreement must also have a long-term extension of the debt ceiling. america cannot afford another debilitating to school showdown. it has to be a package deal. then we need to enact a long-term and comprehensive deficit solution. most serious plans recommend about $4 trillion deficit reduction over 10 years t
once we've resolved the cliff, we need long-term fiscal reduction so businesses can plan for the future. to get families and businesses certain we must agree the next few weeks on specific spending cuts and specific revenue increases that reduced the deficit to avoid the fiscal cliff. we should not put off hard decisions of gimmicks or with triggers. that's what got us here in the first place. it's time to bite the bullet and make the tough decisions and make them now. the first thing we should...
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whatever is happening this week with the fiscal cliff, it's just one little blip in a multidecade goal to reshape how america looks politically, business. they are very philosophically focused and very, very disciplined, and very, very wealthy. >> the piece is to mark his 77th birthday, so he has been at it for some time. here is another interesting passage from your article. charles' many critics owe on the left, including the president of the united states, accuse him of accumulating too much power and using it to promote his own economic interests through a network of secretive organizations they call the kochtopus. what is it and how far does it stretch? >> on the left the idea is that they are funding many if not most, certainly many, of the leading right wing think tanks. if you think about it, this is how they play the game. they're talking about long-term investments. a lot of people are focused on how much money was spent by super pacs and donors in this election cycle. what the kochs have always done is said we're going to look at this and say how can we lay the seeds? they k
whatever is happening this week with the fiscal cliff, it's just one little blip in a multidecade goal to reshape how america looks politically, business. they are very philosophically focused and very, very disciplined, and very, very wealthy. >> the piece is to mark his 77th birthday, so he has been at it for some time. here is another interesting passage from your article. charles' many critics owe on the left, including the president of the united states, accuse him of accumulating...
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the fiscal cliff is the maximum of what ghkts want. you've got howard dean saying we need to raise taxes on everybody, not just the rich. steny hoyer says the same thing. i think republicans have a better handle on the other side, but it's the democrats in transition on the mechanism. >> more on this story coming up. erick, donna, david, guys thank you. authorities trying to catch up with technology. in this case it's all about text messages and finding a way to use them against criminals. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or etfs tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 which now have the lowest tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 operating expenses tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 in their respective tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lipper categories. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 lower than spdr tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and even lower than vanguard. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tha
the fiscal cliff is the maximum of what ghkts want. you've got howard dean saying we need to raise taxes on everybody, not just the rich. steny hoyer says the same thing. i think republicans have a better handle on the other side, but it's the democrats in transition on the mechanism. >> more on this story coming up. erick, donna, david, guys thank you. authorities trying to catch up with technology. in this case it's all about text messages and finding a way to use them against...
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like you said, there are places that business can succeed. is it government-infused money to get there, or is it going to be actual, real, american dollars in there? >> susan, that's really the opportunity. first of all, i don't think inflation is a concern for years. in order for inflation to be a concern it it has to get into the wage cycle. we're far from that. the needs are clear. ports, roads, transport rail and plus protection against extreme weather. on the other side demand. the demand for infrastructure investments isle coming from the private sector. this is very new and it's driven by the fact as rates come down the opportunities for investors, pension funds and sovereign wealth funds to find opportunities to give them the yield they want, 5 to 6% are disappearing. infrastructure offers that opportunity. it's a long-term opportunity. it matches their liabilities, what they need to protect to pay off their retirees very nicely. so i think there's actually a sweet spot between the need for infrastructure and the ability of not only t
like you said, there are places that business can succeed. is it government-infused money to get there, or is it going to be actual, real, american dollars in there? >> susan, that's really the opportunity. first of all, i don't think inflation is a concern for years. in order for inflation to be a concern it it has to get into the wage cycle. we're far from that. the needs are clear. ports, roads, transport rail and plus protection against extreme weather. on the other side demand. the...
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. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's capital spending which has a huge tech component, but it's also construction activity because it's building out the commercial infrastructure, health care, roads, et cetera, that associate with capital spending itself. companies can be cautious and we know there are multi, multidecade levels of cautiousness given their cash and where spending is and at some point pure replacement has to take over. that's really what sparked the recovery in housing, we were scrapping so many homes and you had organic growth. i think we're getting to the break point soon. >> tom, let me ask you about a couple of your picks befor
. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's...
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while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong bipartisan support. in august, the finance committee approved it by a large margin. we have support from six republicans, including the ranking member, senator hatch. all 13 democrats supported it. i believe that many more republicans will vote for this legislation if it's brought up for consideration here in the senate. the bill consists entirely of tax cuts. it should not be difficult to get senators to vote for tax cuts, right before christmas especially. most of these tax cuts have solid bipartisan support. many of these tax cuts will help the economy, will help the middle class. for example, the
while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong...
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host: we have been focusing on different parts of the fiscal cliff discussion. today we're looking at tax extenders for businesses and individuals. joining us is sam goldfarb, a tax writer for cq roll call. what our tax extenders? guest: they are temporary tax breaks. some people are concerned the entire tax code is turning into a big tax extender. they are considered to be a small provision and targeted at specific types of businesses. host: why are they temporary? guest: a lot of people say they should be made permanent or they should be eliminated altogether. it is easier to pass when they are temporary. they keep on being extended and extended. host: we will look at some of these. these are some of the tax extenders and the cost of continuing the tax breaks through 2013. host: some of those are really specific. guest: that is the idea. they have become a case study in what some people think is wrong with the tax code. if there are loopholes that can be claimed to love god and their because of a lobbyist lobbied hard to get there, it is these tax breaks that
host: we have been focusing on different parts of the fiscal cliff discussion. today we're looking at tax extenders for businesses and individuals. joining us is sam goldfarb, a tax writer for cq roll call. what our tax extenders? guest: they are temporary tax breaks. some people are concerned the entire tax code is turning into a big tax extender. they are considered to be a small provision and targeted at specific types of businesses. host: why are they temporary? guest: a lot of people say...
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minding your business this morning, markets in a holding pattern as fiscal cliff talks continue in washington. but the s&p 500 is up 12% so far this year. and a 20-year veteran investment strategy at goldman sachs, abby joseph cohen, she estimates stocks could rise another 10% to 15% next year. she says the fundamentals of the u.s. are solid, despite the fiscal cliff concerns coming out of washington. she says stocks could get hit in the early part of the area if we go over the fiscal cliff, but the fundamentals of the economy are still good. >>> all right. apple stock dropped more than 6% yesterday. shares were down about half a percent in pre-market trading this morning. no concrete news pushing them down, but today there's another hearing in the patent case with samsung in california. and a tech research report generatored a lot of buzz that apple's tablet competitors could eat into its market share. >> interesting. >> thanks, christine. >>> well, the good news is, let's do the fiscal cliff and the good news. and it's not very much. but at least the two sides are talking, by phone. not fac
minding your business this morning, markets in a holding pattern as fiscal cliff talks continue in washington. but the s&p 500 is up 12% so far this year. and a 20-year veteran investment strategy at goldman sachs, abby joseph cohen, she estimates stocks could rise another 10% to 15% next year. she says the fundamentals of the u.s. are solid, despite the fiscal cliff concerns coming out of washington. she says stocks could get hit in the early part of the area if we go over the fiscal...
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but his point man on fiscal cliff negotiation struck a much different tone. if republicans don't but specifically tax rates on upper earners the white house is ready to go right over the cliff. >> we see there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%. >> largely backs the president on those rates. 48% support the plan to raise them on upper earners compared to 32% of leaving rates unchanged. when it comes to government spending, the gop has the edge. to help balance the budget, spending cuts should take precedence over tax hikes, 46 to 30%. and leaders in congress who met with business leaders say they have already offered to raise tax by cutting deductions and the president has yet to counter their proposal. >> i'll be here and available at any moment to sit down with the president if he gets serious about solving this problem. >> it's possible the white house may be bluffing, the administration did order the pentagon to consider the big cuts in military spending that would happen if we don't reach an agreement. i
but his point man on fiscal cliff negotiation struck a much different tone. if republicans don't but specifically tax rates on upper earners the white house is ready to go right over the cliff. >> we see there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%. >> largely backs the president on those rates. 48% support the plan to raise them on upper earners compared to 32% of leaving rates unchanged. when it comes to government spending, the gop...
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michael, on your deadline fiscal cliff we know when it happens january 1. the president's got his plan, the republicans have sort of a plan. the center for american progress came out with its own this week, why? you don't think the others are good enough? >> well, what we saw as a real need was a plan for comprehensive tax reform. not just nibbling around the edges but really trying to do something big and bold that would not only raise the revenue that we need and we do absolutely need to raise revenue but fix the problems in the tax code and we don't think that that's something that's going to happen in the next three weeks. we do think that that's something that's going to happen or could happen over the next year. and the parameters for that might be agreed upon in the next few weeks. we really wanted to put that out there and say listen, here are some really good ideas on how to really fundamentally reshape -- >> bill: first two or three points, what are you proposing in terms of raising the tax rates for the wealthiest go up? what else? >> the basic p
michael, on your deadline fiscal cliff we know when it happens january 1. the president's got his plan, the republicans have sort of a plan. the center for american progress came out with its own this week, why? you don't think the others are good enough? >> well, what we saw as a real need was a plan for comprehensive tax reform. not just nibbling around the edges but really trying to do something big and bold that would not only raise the revenue that we need and we do absolutely need...
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do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are more optic. first of all see what they think, unlikely 73% back in november when we asked about the debt program would there be an agreement, 73% saying that, now 44%. the number you want to think is 4% to 44% thinks a solution is likely. who thinks it's likely, that's interesting and driving this number. he can break it down by party. look at what we find, republicans 52-42, independents, i come back here, there we go, independents 47-32 and it's really what you see here 60% of democrats think it's unlikely. i just want to show you again when we get to
do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are...
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. >> they say good things come to those who wait except maybe in the case of the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner said the administration will absolutely take the leap. but some say both sides could wait till january to get down to business without any big economic consequences. the expiration of the bush tax cuts forcing tax rates higher on 90% of americans won't be felt right away. some economists actually call this the fiscal float instead of the cliff because the impact would be felt gradually. however, "the wall street journal" reports others sharply disagree. they argue that quickly undoing the damage double from the cliff dive would have big consequences. some possible ways here. it could prompt sell-offs on wall street. we've already seen those. it could also further dampen consumer confidence in washington. we saw that during the debate last year over raising the federal debt ceiling. >>> looking overseas, it's interesting to get a read on how other countries are perceiving the fiscal cliff fight on capitol hill. the"the washington post" ran through head lines in interna
. >> they say good things come to those who wait except maybe in the case of the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner said the administration will absolutely take the leap. but some say both sides could wait till january to get down to business without any big economic consequences. the expiration of the bush tax cuts forcing tax rates higher on 90% of americans won't be felt right away. some economists actually call this the fiscal float instead of the cliff because the impact would be felt...
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we are willing to go over the fiscal cliff. why? to square the members to call their members of congress. if you talk to business people and people in the banking industry they are not concerned about the fiscal cliff and i am not sure why. maybe they feel it is going to get done. this is very, very interesting. >> steve: i think there are people who are optmistic that something can happen in the long run. >> brian: we get past this hurdle and we might get on a roll. >> steve: john boehner said the republicans point of view. we don't have to raise rates on the top people. we can tighten things up and close the loop holes and deduction. actually that the president of the united states's point of view back last year . now he said it is all about tax rates. this is the president in a flash back. >> what we said give us 1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be questioned by eliminating loop holes and deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lower
we are willing to go over the fiscal cliff. why? to square the members to call their members of congress. if you talk to business people and people in the banking industry they are not concerned about the fiscal cliff and i am not sure why. maybe they feel it is going to get done. this is very, very interesting. >> steve: i think there are people who are optmistic that something can happen in the long run. >> brian: we get past this hurdle and we might get on a roll. >> steve:...
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the foj kus is on washington as fiscal cliff negotiations continue. we will also get an update on the health of the labor market when the weekly jobless claims report comes out later this month. >>> by now you all know the siren logo. >> many of you will grab a cup of coffee this morning. starbucks ceo has sobering advice to offer on the looming fiscal cliff, that the consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever. his message to lawmakers, now is not the time to play politics. it's about doing right by the american people. >> i think if people would get in the room and leave their ego behind, and not be so skewed towards the party but be so sensitive to the lens of the american people, we will have an agreement. >> poppy harlow is joining us with more. we've been talking about how this will affect us. schultz says this goes way beyond our boarders. >> it's global. something that stuck with me talking to him about this, the people who need a deal most will be hurt t
the foj kus is on washington as fiscal cliff negotiations continue. we will also get an update on the health of the labor market when the weekly jobless claims report comes out later this month. >>> by now you all know the siren logo. >> many of you will grab a cup of coffee this morning. starbucks ceo has sobering advice to offer on the looming fiscal cliff, that the consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for...
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that fiscal cliff at year's end. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke about it on the phone with one another. that discussion came as treasury secretary tim geithner confirmed mr. obama is prepared to take the economy over the cliff unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthy. >>> meantime in georgia, some activists expressed frustration about the stalemate in holiday spirit. they delivered symbolic lumps of coal to the offices of both of their state's u.s. senators. but security guards met them outside of republican saxby chambliss' office. eventually, a few were let inside, but without the camera and media present. of course. that would have been the real story. >> folks are upset now. see what happens january 1 after you get the first paycheck and go, oh, this is what the fiscal cliff meant. yeah. whoo, 2013. >>> all right. the next story involves a new grassroots campaign that is starting. meant to draw attention to the nation's debt crisis. it is our "favorite story of the day." th
that fiscal cliff at year's end. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke about it on the phone with one another. that discussion came as treasury secretary tim geithner confirmed mr. obama is prepared to take the economy over the cliff unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthy. >>> meantime in georgia, some activists expressed frustration about the stalemate in holiday spirit. they delivered symbolic lumps of coal to the offices of both of their state's...